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Twin Flames: The Real Deal w/ Manjinder Sidhu (aka Mani)

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Twin Flames: The Real Deal w/ Manjinder Sidhu aka Mani

In this episode, Javier Ortega dives into the depth and nuance of the Twin Flame journey with spiritual teacher and human rights advocate Manjinder Sidhu, aka Mani (@myspiritualsoul).

Together, they explore what Twin Flames really are, how to navigate the emotional and spiritual awakening they trigger, and why the journey is ultimately about self-alignment—not romantic obsession.

Whether you're on a Twin Flame path or simply navigating deep soul connections, this episode offers grounded wisdom and clarity.

Learn more about Mani at: ManjinderSidhu.co.uk

Mani:

Thank you for having me and Good question.'cause a lot of people think they're on the twin flame journey. There's a lot of misunderstandings. But from the perspective of all that is, we'll start grand. We are all one. At the end of the day, everything is you and you are everything. And you can get to a state of such ascension where you see yourself in everybody. But um, from what I know and my knowledge, when we're created all as one, as we come down in separations, the first separation is when your soul is split in two. Now, some people believe everyone has a twin plane. Some people, everyone don't have a twin plane. I don't know. But all I know is this, that a twin plane is literally the other. It's not the other half of your soul. It's literally your older soul, which has incarnated in two bodies at the same time. Now, not all twin flames incarnate at the same time. One may be in the higher cell, but you have, um, the same vibrational frequency, the same energetic blueprint, and you are the ying to the yang. So there is one that's known as the divine feminine, one that's known as the divine masculine. And usually one is more of the shadow aspects. The part of you that you don't, um, that your blind spots that you're not aware of. And the purpose of a twin plane connection to be incarnated on earth is to help you with your ascension, to trigger out of all you, out of all the deep, dark karmic issues or ancestor lineage and things like that. And it's not an easy journey. And the way you know it's a twin name is'cause you will have ascension, you'll have an awakening, um, there's a lot of spiritual stuff that happens with it, so there's a lot of mirroring and triggering, um, that hurts you to your core. And so you start going through this period of shedding all those layers of the ego, and it's like you get baptized and you feel like a layer of your ego has dissolved and then you start obsessing of this person. One starts to chase, usually the, the awaken spiritual one and the other one runs. It's like magnets, polar opposites. The energy in the beginning becomes so cataclysmic, so addictive that as one focuses on the other, the other uses that addictive energy to focus on other people. They wanna focus it on their twin, but an energetic wall gets created between the two. But when you are intimate with your twin, you'll have something called heroes gamos, where, which is basically the marriage of the two souls and you, it's a third energy that's created when twin planes do have sex. And this infinite light from above comes into this space. You see each other like angelic beings. It's for the spiritual one, the feminine energy, which is not to do with gender. It's a very spiritual experience. For the masculine one, it can be a very physical experience'cause they share the same chakra system. The masculine twin flame has, uh, is more predominant in the lower chakras. Sex, survival, creativity, ego, et cetera. So they see the world through that lens. It's, um, and the spiritual one is more of the upper chakras and the, the key is to balance out and to get to that, that stage of union within. And then without. Now soulmates is a concept basically where anyone who mates with your soul can be your soulmate, which includes not just romantic partners, friends, families, animals, pets, anything like that. Anything that you have a connection with. And if you are both aligned, you have a beautiful, aligned experience. But if you are misaligned, that can be like a karmic situation, a karmic relationship where this, the, the relationship is very toxic. It can be very, very triggering and negative. Now, with a twin flame, yes, there can be toxicity, there can be negativity, but the thing with that is you heal and you ascend and you grow. Whereas with comics, because the triggering is so much, you actually get pulled down. You don't actually break free. From your issues. A twin mirrors exactly where your triggers are, where you need to have an ego death. So that's the pinpoint in which they put the pain. You revisit your pain tip, unleash it, let it go, and therefore you ascend. You can never hate your twin flame. You may try, but there's always unconditional love'cause it's one soul, it's one energetic resonance so that unconditional love helps to alchemize the pain. Whereas with karmic. There is not the unconditional love. So you actually drag down with the twin flame. You ascend, you become more abundant, you become younger, you become more spiritual. Your spiritual gifts get ated online. So many things happen. Um, but yeah, that's my long answer, right. If you wanna ask a more, you can.

Javier:

No, I absolutely love that. So you mentioned, um, about. Gender. Right. And that was one thing that as being, you know, being on the, it's being on the Twin Flame journey is a very interesting thing because you, you have this knowing about information, right? It's not like you need to learn from it. Uh, it helps, you know, to, to seek guidance and to seek clarity. Um, the way I like to put it is. I have this knowing and I get these confirmations from the, from, you know, people who I resonate with. And also I, I've learned that being on the Twin Flame journey, you attract other twin flames. You know, I've, I've attracted, um, I have several people that I. I was not aware of were twin flames until I started speaking about it. And you know, me and my husband are twin flames. We were in separation for 10 years, you know, off and on me, and you know, and everybody has these, these very profound, um, stories. But you, you, once you awaken into it, it, you get supported on that journey. Um, but you did mention about gender and gender's, one of those things where, you know, when somebody would ask me, you know, so is it male, female? No, you know, as a gay man, I'm a divine feminine. You're a divine feminine, you know, I have a divine masculine. Um, but I can also see, not even, you know, I can also see in certain twin flames, like a female being the divine masculine and a male being divine feminine. But, um, you can also just see in general the masculine and the feminine energy in people. Right. And, and, and it doesn't play a gender role. Uh, what's your experience with that?

Mani:

Very good question. So first of all, I wanted to talk about the info thing. The information information can keep you stuck in the ego. It can, it can become a mind thing as opposed to a soul thing. So it's very important to like kind of also understand where you need to let go of the information. Um, with regards to twin planes, the gendered concept there, there is no gender. But because we live in a heteronormative society, it has been made into masculine and feminine. Divine feminine, divine masculine. You can call it run a chaser, alpha Omega. Yin yang, whatever else you wanna call it, you can call it one and two far better, you know, than actually using the male and female. And in the beginning, no one is divine. Uh, well, we are at the core, but from our, uh, the way in which we're behaving, uh, we're distorted. So, um, yeah, the terms divine masculine, divine feminine can give off that gendered heteronormativity. You have divine masculine's who are female divine masculine's, who are, you know, male and et cetera. And the same with the feminines. Um, and then you also have some people who ask questions about if you're trans and whether you change gender. It's nothing to do with your sexual organs or the gender in which we are in the way in which you choose to live your life and behave. When I first found out I was divine feminine and I was like, what? Like I didn't really associate it and I worked with a coach and, uh, she would always refer to me as she, and I was like, you, first of all, you're misgendering me. You're putting a different pronoun in. I, I actually personally do not like the, the male female aspect of it. I think it's very restrictive, uh, in a sense. Um,'cause some people talk about like, you know, you know, the masculine gives you the energy and then like you receive it from them as the feminine, but then sexually they're trying to liken it to that. But you have dms who are then females, right?

Javier:

Right.

Mani:

Who are in a heterosexual relationship with their, their df. So, yeah, I wouldn't, I lean more towards other terms, you know?

Javier:

Right, right. And, and I resonate with that as well. And, and the way I put it is like, it's not, it's not, you also have to see it as the overall picture, right? It's not that I'm the feminine, I'm just the feminine one, and he's just a masculine one. It's your, again, your overall soul that has reincarnated into two, um, or who is split into two. So it just happens to be that I carry that predominantly. Divine feminine, and he carries that predominantly divine masculine. But part of this journey is balancing out your own yin and yang within that process. And, and, and that, you know, we, we will get into this, but that's kind of what, what, you know, my knowing has brought me to understand what union is, is, is you are your divine masculine as well and, and as divine feminine and, and really, um. Strengthening and removing any blocks that you have in the way of, of that energy.

Mani:

Yeah, and it's interesting whether it is like a split soul or whatever it is, because if you think about it from a term of like what Bahar, Daral Lanka talks about by the older soul. So for example, say the over soul is this piece of paper. How many dots can I put on it? I put millions of dots on it. And those are all your incarnations. So tho those are your lives.'cause time is, um, not linear. So all your um, life, you know, lives and realities and dimensions and timelines are all coexisting at the same time. So your one over soul can have millions of incarnations at the same time, and it just happens to be that you meet that incarnation on earth at the same time. It's very mind boggling in how it all works. When I did a mushroom trip, I saw like all sorts of things and it was showing like how you, you start off in, in, in union as, as your split soul or whatever you wanna call it, you and your twin, but lifetimes of separation, you kind of mirror each other and gravitate the other way. I. So you're kind of like almost the opposite but the same. And then when you meet each other, you're kind of like really shocked and kind of like freaked out because they are so far from what you remember them and you are so far from what they remember too, which is that wholeness. Because one becomes very spiritual, one becomes very 3D, and in fact you actually are both. So that's where the inner union aspect is actually coming to terms and. And accepting without judgment all that they are and what they are, what them accepting what you are. And you kind of almost neutralize each other and almost inter one inter interweave into one being back again to whole us. You know? So yeah, it's interesting.

Javier:

Right. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I love that. I love that. So when did you first become aware that you were on the Twin Flame journey?

Mani:

So I met my twin flame first in October, 2022. And initially I didn't know that's what it was, but I think by January, 2023. So three months later, I, I spoke to a psychic who confirmed it'cause I was trying to figure out things. And my cousin is a twin flame as well, and she already knew about, I knew the concept, but there's something about reading it and then going through, it's completely different. You read it and it's, it's like, oh, two souls. They trigger each other. They love each other. One runs one chases. That could have been a lot of my exes, you know? Right. But this is completely different.

Javier:

When you're on the journey or when you're first in this connection, at least for me, like I wasn't aware that I was going through a twin flame journey, right? It's during the separation that it is a very. Not just painful, but it's a very connected, um, separation. And, I'm not in union with my twin flame. Um, and we, we did have a separation and then got back together. I was with this person prior to that I was in an 11 year relationship. Right. And which was a beautiful relationship. It was perfect. I learned so much. Perfect in the sense that I wouldn't change anything. I grew so much from that. But these four, four months were, were far more profound. Right. And it's no offense to anybody, for me, the thing is, is once you've connected with this, with your other self, they become an that, that awakening, they become an integral part of you. And it comes in waves. It comes in waves to let you know that you're on that journey. Um, you know what that means? It to me, it's just a reminder of like, continue to, to work on my path because, you know, he has been the catalyst for me stepping into the version of myself that I always knew I was supposed to in order to fulfill, to fulfill my purpose. So with that being said, how has your perspective on Twin Flames evolved over time?

Mani:

So, in the beginning it was like, I gotta get that man, I gotta get that. Everything was like, I want to get in. Very controlled, very toxic in my way and viewpoint. It was all about the relationship crawling to that, trying and grab him. And it's, it's, it was just about like love and the relationship. And now it's come, it's evolved, it's taken a while, but to fully understand that it's way more than just, uh, the dm. Like that's just the cha, that's just the beginning, you know? It's an awakening, it's ascension. It's total liberation. Total, um, freedom from the shackles of the prison of the 3D of the matrix of the fear of the ego of the illusion. It's being total oneness with all that is with God, with love, with peace.

Javier:

Mm-hmm.

Mani:

Uh, with enlightenment, you know, it's so beautiful. It's all of your gifts, your abundance, your purpose. It's about helping others doing your mission work. It's about being in joy. It's about bringing light on Earth. It's being. And, and totally empowered Totally. In your divinity. Totally in your sovereignty, totally in your, um, freedom. Yeah.

Javier:

Yeah. I agree. I love that. I love that was well said. What, what do you think are some of the biggest misconceptions people have about Twin Flames?

Mani:

It's toxic. It's, um, just you are obsessed with someone who's don't give a shit about you. Um, ENCE, you know, it is all the, oh, it's just a catalyst. You're not meant to be in union. I don't agree with that. I don't think the universe brings you this person just for the sake of it. Um, but it, the, it depends. I mean, from the soul, from, you know, the soul, the higher self, the divine, and knows what's meant to be. And toll surrender does just allow it and ma play out how it's got to play out. And some twins don't get into union this lifetime, whether it's their decision or their life path, but. From the mind, you can think about all these things. You know, it's this or that, but, um, the misconceptions are that it's just about love or it's just about the person, or it's just a catalyst and they're gonna go away. And you've got a, a lot of people don't understand you. You're like a weird zoo animal, I guess. You are. You are an experiment that people don't get. They think you're weird and crazy.

Javier:

Right, right. And that's kind of where. You know, I think that that part of the journey for me was at least, um, removing the need for validation from anybody. Right. Um, because, you know, throughout life, just in this journey or, or, or in general, um, the more you follow your intuition on, on what feels right, um, you know, the more you, you walk a, you walk more through life in a fulfilled way. And I feel like if anything, this journey strengthens that muscle, that intuitive connection. And at least for me, you know, it a big, I mean, I think it's one thing that many, many humans struggle with is seeking validation. And, this is a journey that's going to teach you to just surrender that you know, God is, God is this is a journey that you're on with God and, and or with the universe, you know. However you, you, um, choose to, to call our higher power. And so yeah, it's been a, it's been a very painful, tough, um, journey and, and a journey that is very difficult because you can't, as much as you want to at the beginning, you would love to, to explain to people and show them and tell them what you're going through, because it is, it's something that you've never experienced, but at some point you have to. You have to just let that go and find peace with, some people will res, some people will, understand as much as they can. Right. It's, and some people, you know, it just won't. And that, and that's okay.

Mani:

Yeah. I mean, we're so geared up from birth to look at the 3D and the senses on the outside. What is tangible, what is physical? What is visceral? What is there? And it's always looking outside, you know, what are people thinking and saying, what are they wearing, what are they doing, how they have a relationship, how they got to make money, and what is sex and what is body and what is power? What is all these things? You know how I'm made small because of the governments, because of the, the, the international community, whatever's going on with the climate, the walls, the earth, the whatever. It's always outside, outside, outside. And if we didn't have our senses, perhaps, then we would go more within. The journey does, uh, make you look beyond that, into your intuition in your third eye and go deeper beyond the veil and the illusion to understand. Because in separation, you know, the whole physical aspect of your twin is showing. They've blocked you, they've moved on, they've married someone else, or they're doing stuff with other people, or they're living their life and they're happy. But there's that calling, the depth, the connection, and you have to learn to trust that. There's a lot of doubts, there's a lot of fears. But that all relates to your ancestry. That all relates to the lineage, the ego, the illusions, and you're shattering them one after, one after the other. Shattering them, shattering them, shattering them, breaking them, breaking them, opening yourself more and more and more. And there is a need for validation. And I feel like on the Twin Flame journey, I was the same. But some of the clients I work with, some of my followers, they will ask the same question over and over again, over and over again. It's like constant assurance, constant. And the ego, the fear of mind needs so much constant reassurance to say, yes, you're gonna be fine. It's gonna work out, da da da da. And then it clicks.

Javier:

Right? Right. For our listeners, I, I know what 3D and five D is, but can you just explain what 3D and five D is? Yeah.

Mani:

All labels, all concepts, um, you know, choose what resonates. What they say is that 3D is the world we're in right now, the Matrix, um, it's a very dense energy. It's where people are more so focused on the lower three chakras actually, and they're more focused on survival and ego. And it's about, a lot of it's to do with control. A lot of it's to do with, um, not really having any sort of connection to any higher power as such. It's more on what's in front of you, what's the physical, how the world, um, is in terms of. Sexuality, ego, creativity, money, survival, dog eat dog. Um, the, you know, the fittest wins the race. It's all about like taking power and being, it's very much the toxic masculinity as well actually. And then in between that you have a four D, which is kind of like the bridge. You dunno why it exists, whether there's the astro world, the dream world, where a lot of spirits reside, a lot of demonic spirits, uh, and negative beings. Also, energies or thought patterns reside there too. And then when you go into the five D consciousness, which is this world, actually, it is seeing everything but from a more elevated, higher spiritual level. When you're in five D, you're more connected with the upper chakras, the heart chakra, especially in five D. And it's more about love and oneness and seeing that we are all interconnected and how calmer plays out when you're in five D, high vibrational love light. So soul energy, you get instant calmer and you see how it all impacts. And 3D, it's a little bit slower. So the higher in vibration you go, the more in the vibrational frequency from anger, fear, depression, to like contentment, peace, love, and joy. Things accelerate the frequency. If you see it from a scientific perspective and you see from like light and sound frequency, it gets much more higher and quicker. So things vibrate back faster to you. Um, and basically you are more intuitive, more connected. Uh, body also changes it regards to more being a liked being. Um, you become healthier'cause you're letting go of all the negativity and the density and the toxicity and you're becoming lighter and therefore more useful, more healthier. Um, but people want the world. They're saying we're going through a change and ascension and the world is going to the five D where we are learning the interconnectedness and the evolution of our soul. You might wanna add to it, but there is loads of stuff out there.

Javier:

Right, right. No, I love it. Yeah. Very 3D. Yeah. To summarize that, uh, which I love the way you explained that, but yeah, three D's very, like our earthly experience, our physical experience, four D that I love the way you said, it's that bridge that the dreams in five D is, you know, connecting spiritually and into that oneness. And, and with that, you know, not just fulfillment, but so much healing. And like you said, you show up healthier in the, in the, in the 3D, but. You know what I've also learned through this journey is, is the balance, right? We're still, we're, yes, we're spiritual beings having a human experience, but we're still here to have the human experience.'cause there's lessons in harmony with, with the 3D and the five D.

Mani:

Yeah. And you have to integrate that. So I went through last year, in January to March, I went through a place of enlightenment or in a union where I just was rejecting the whole 3D. And I wanted to like, oh, I thought I was gonna die because I was so in oneness with all. Mm-hmm. And it wants to like, become almost like a aesthetic or a monk. Like I didn't have any desire for luxury items or food or travel. And I was like really rejecting it, thinking, how am I gonna be with my twin flame? Who wants kids? Who wants to have this lifestyle when I don't want anything anymore? However, like a lot of spiritual people, we get to that stage of, um, like being separate from our, our, our, our 3D selves, our physical selves. There's a lot of issues with money, with sex, with power. And it's about alchemizing that integrating that to its highest divine form and to actually integrate that because as twin flames, especially, you are bringing those higher light codes. So they say there's 12 dimensions. There might be more, I dunno, and the densities. Um, but you are bringing that more loving energy into this reality, so you actually have to work. That's why the divine masculine, um, twin is very physically based. They foundationally anchor your light on the spiritual one onto earth. But the reason why they have issues is'cause the spiritual ones looking at the physical one thinking, why are you so obsessed with money and sex and power? But we have to utilize both like two hands coming together to to, to alchemize and elevate. Yeah.

Javier:

I love that. I love that. So before we jumped into 3D and five D, we were talking a little bit about separation as well. Um, you knows separation, it's, it's described as. The most painful, um, part of the, the journey. Why do you think separation is necessary for ascension,

Mani:

for twin flames? Um, and it's not always necessary. Some twins have done lots of work in other lifetimes and it's easy, and they get into union quite, um, they don't have, some of them don't have separation, you know, but somewhere that some of us need it because. When we look at our twins, some dfs, for example, cannot even look at a picture of their twin flame and the runner, the, the DM energy cannot. Also, because it's too triggering, seeing your shadows, your reflection, your light in another person when you are so dis, um, distorted from that can be like a shock to the system. You know, it's like you're seeing this diff you're seeing yourself but differently. And if you were to put twins in a room and lock the door, they might even kill each other. And in other lifetime, some twins have. Destroyed each other, killed each other, or done various things which can affect the collective. So separation is the period which is necessary to allow you to start to heal and integrate and also understand the connection, understand the telepathy, understand the depth of it, and underst understand that you, the work you have to do, you know, that's where your heart basically shatters into millions of pieces where you feel like your body's died because you. Then looking at all the aspects of you that you wouldn't, pain is a great teacher. Unfortunately. I don't know why the journey is created this way. I would prefer it to be done through love, but pain helps you to really face, you have to relive the pain to let it go. So, um, separation is that aspect of learning about your telepathy, your intuition, and listening to the doubt, uh, and letting them go. Because you wanna get to a stage which you will, where basically it doesn't matter who your twin flames with, what they're doing, where they're going, how they're presenting themselves in the 3D, you understand beyond doubt, beyond fear that you are one and nothing that is yours can be taken away from you for it's already yours. So it's getting into your power, getting into your sovereignty. So when they do return, you are not, uh, triggered, you are not, uh, misaligned from if they look at someone else or do something, you are totally in your power knowing. You went through hell and nothing that destroyed this. You have worked your ass off in order to cement your ascension and nothing has the power to destroy that.

Javier:

Right, right. Yeah. I definitely, um, agree with, you know, the, the things that trigger you in your divine MAs masculine during that separation. Um. Tend to be the things that you have to go inward. Like a, you spot it, you got it thing, you have to go inward and, and it's like clearly showing you the things that you need to heal about yourself. And,, as you're going through the journey, at least for me, like early on with this person, I, I couldn't see it that way. Um, you know, I kind of, you know, why does he act like this? Or why does he react like this? Or why does he show up like this? And in ways. You know, I learned during separation I've learned is there's also that balance of me needing to show up more in my power, more taking up space, um, more speaking my mind, um, and, and diving into the, the, the things that are in the way of that. Um, so, and, and, and with that process as well, is surrenders a, a big thing on this journey? What. What does, what would you say? Surrender, actually, what's the main, um, what does it mean in the twin flame journey?

Mani:

Say, people keep kept saying to me in the beginning, surrender, surrender, surrender, surrender. Like, what the hell? I mean, I was a control freak. I'm a little bit, but like come from a very controlling family as well. And he's like, what does it mean? And they're like, there's levels of surrender and you'll get more and more into surrender and surrender. And I'm like, I don't know. I want him now he needs to pick up. I, I learned that surrender was more likened to acceptance as well, actually. Mm-hmm. It's accepting what is Trusting. Allowing, allowing is a good one. Acceptance and allowing is more easier than for me than surrender, you know? But it's, it takes time and you do get to a place where you learn to let go.'cause basically we try to control, we try to control, we wanna do this, and we wanna get the twin plane. They don't listen. No matter what you try, you can email, talk, phone, handcuff, do what you want with them, lock them up, they won't listen. And then the only option you have is to just allow it, accept it, and let it go. Because you realize this is beyond you. This is beyond you and I. This is beyond the twin flame.'cause you both get aligned. You both get, I call it blasted. You have thunderbolts, like tower moments or whatever. If they do things, your twin flame does anything against the union. They get, they get blasted into alignment. You know, if they do anything wrong to you, there's no karma between twins because you are one soul, but there is a balancing act. So if they are going against the truth of the connection, then they will be brought in line, and especially if you are doing your work and your work towards your ascension. So I think, yeah, it's about acceptance. It's about allowing, and then you do get to a place where you're just like, you don't really care anymore and you are just so happy and you don't want the drama you are in. Just oneness and love and, and joy that you don't even want to care to look. What they're doing or get affected by what they're doing, you just let them get on with it. Because with twin flames, there's this element of emptying your cup, I call it. So where basically as soon as you meet the the gongs truck and you start ascending, but it means all the negativity and all the fear and all the crap needs to come out, all the addictive energy, all the sexual distortions. Or your um, uh, issues and with the divine feminine that is very mental, very emotional, very obsessive, and very toxic in that way. But with the masculine it is'cause they're in the lower chakras, they start doing on a physical level survival. Whether it is like going off with karmic or sleeping with everyone doing drugs and addictions or, you know, showing their sexual energy everywhere. Especially in the beginning when the divine feminine is obsessed, she's feeding his energy, um, or divine feminine energy is feeding that energy of the divine masculine and it gets into their ego even more. So, um, yeah, basically it is about letting it all shedding the layers and allowing those cups to be emptied and. Saying in your heart to your twin, it's okay baby. You've gotta let go of all that ancestral stuff. Car mix stuff. Past life stuff, society templates'cause twin flames are heal here to heal so much of other people's issues as well. That is harbored within us. So once we let it go, we role model and we illuminate others. We show them the way, like the marathon runner doing it in nine seconds, one year, doing it in eight seconds. The next year we show what is possible for humanity. And so you allow your twin to go through that process. It's almost like a baby. You allow it to take its steps and, and, and crawl and walk and talk. It's a process. And twins go through that process of being babies and toddlers and teenagers and then adults. And your, your twin plane might take longer than you, but it's all divinely orchestrated and you know, you have no control.

Javier:

Right, right. And it's that knowing, I love how you said, empty your cup. Um, I like to say that not, I like to say what I actually, what I went through on my journey was, um, I, I was so stuck in the five D and so stuck living there for, for so long. Um, and I mean, my, my cup wasn't just emptied, it was shattered, like completely shattered, broken, had, you know, and from there came an even bigger cup. Um, and so. Even through, as you're saying, like you, you, that surrender process, you know, you at the beginning of that separation, you just, you, you, you're all of a sudden getting these downloads of this knowing of the journey that you're on and then support it, and then you just wanna be able to explain that and help you other self understand what we're going through. And then, you know. You realize if I'm being supported on this journey, if I'm getting all this information, if we're truly on the same journey, he'll get it. Like, that's not for me to figure it out. That's not for me to, at one point I was like, you know, I don't think he's ready because of this. And I was pointing fingers like he's not ready because of this and this and that and this and that. Maybe those, those three fingers. Pointing right back at me and I had to learn that I wasn't ready for so much of it. And, and that's been developing over the last few months. You know, five and a half months into my healing, I'm like, or into my ascension. I'm like, wow. Like, I feel like I'm ready for a relationship like never before. And then all of a sudden it dives me into, um, inner child healing and now family generational healing. And, and so it's. It's, and, and I, and I'm, right now, I'm in the process of like taking it day by day because, at one point you think you have yourself figured out, and, and this journey is teaching you like it, it's the goal never ends are, are you

Mani:

really ready? Are

Javier:

you really, really, really ready? No, you don't. Right,

Mani:

right. And then it trips you, you know, is never gonna be there anyway. Say again, I'm sorry. There's not gonna be perfection. There's always gonna be things. Because you can be in high by low vibe and things can change throughout the day. So I want, I want people to listening to that, you don't have to be this ascended guru, master, or imperfection. As long as you've got the tools, you can make it work.

Javier:

Right. And that's, that's a big thing that this you, this journey teaches you is that it's not about perfection and it's, there's never there, like you said, there's never going to be perfection, but it's about showing up as. As the healthiest version of yourself, as the, you know, the most at peace. I guess as, as you know, peace is also something that's ever growing, uh, but showing up as a version of yourself that can, that has the capacity to be present in such a profound connection and a profound journey. Um, so with that being said as well, right, we, we talk about letting go and, you know, I resonate with that and I, and I no longer. Look for, you know, I'm at a point where I, I, I hope he's happy. I, I wish him the best and I, and, and I still feel him in me. Right. So with that being said, how do you navigate the waves of feeling your twin flame Energetically? Because there are times when, when we feel detached and at peace, and then suddenly that fire reignites and it's as intensely as ever. And, and like as ever, and it feels like it even grows. Um, so what has helped you manage these energetic shifts? I know for me it's just, it's been able to find more peace within self and, and you know, when I feel those waves come, you know, sending that towards him because I'm so full of gratitude. But what, what would you say has helped you or has seen, you've seen, has helped others? Yeah.

Mani:

Um, first of all, I want to talk about. You know, when, uh, when you're trying to like control a kid, for example, and then they just like throw all the stuff back at you and say, f you. I find the dms are often like that. Like you're trying to put the label like, baby, baby, we are twin flames. Baby, baby. This is how it's gonna be. You're gonna heal. And they're like, fuck off. Like they really don't care because. They're here to kind of like shatter those templates of that restriction that we have as spiritual beings. Because actual ascension and connection with the divine is beyond the mind. It's beyond the concepts that 3D, the five D, the what, D and all this and that, and the other D You know, it's beyond all of that, right? It's beyond all those things, and they often do not care about it because. You know, we are trying to control them to be like this, like spiritual person and they're gonna go and do whatever they wanna do, and that's the perfection of it. So it's, it is, it's, it's about accepting what is right now. Okay. So you talked about, um, this thing about being peaceful or this, it's not even that I don't think, I think it's about, like right now I'm feeling very, you know, you know, sad. I accept it. I feel very sex sexy. I accept that I'm this unaccepted because you're never gonna be perfect and things are always gonna come up from. The past or whatever else, the ancestry. So when you are with your twin in union, you'll trigger each other, but you decide we're gonna stick at it. I'm not gonna run, I'm gonna like face it and accept it and let it go. Accept it and let it go because it is your karma or whatever else. But with the feeling of the twin flame energetically, um, I'm lucky that I don't feel so much like bad, um, like separation stuff. In the beginning I used to feel maybe the heart pull and all this, and I used to reach out. But, um, I think the key to it is some people, what they try to do is people try to always say, oh, I'm feeling his emotions now. And I say, no, it's your emotions because it's your one soul, your one energy, right? And it's happening in your body. Yes, it might be related to him, but he is you. So it's your energies that you are feeling, how you alchemizing them, how you integrating them. Because often the, the people I work with, they wanna separate. I want to remove this feeling. I don't want it. Um, and I, I need to get it out my system'cause I hate it. It repulses me and makes me feel sick. Well, that's about you. Then you need to integrate, you've gotta accept. Mm-hmm. You've gotta bring it into wholeness with one yourself. Okay. So if your sums of my friends are feeling very sexual energy, he's saying to me, sexual energy, it's your sexual energy that you're not integrating and loving because he is you. Right. You, you're feeling that heart pull. Well, he is you because you're seeing him as separate. So where are you not giving yourself that love and feeling yourself as being one with all that is? So, um, that's only it was it this week and last week. I felt a little bit stuff from, from the, the, that energy stuff and I just went within and I integrated it. I have this like policy where I don't send love to my twin flame.

Javier:

Okay?

Mani:

So I know people do it. I find it to be chasing energy. I find it to inflate his ego. He's got a big enough, um, ego as it is, as do I. So I don't need to do that. I just give it to myself because if he's me, considering he's me. I, whatever I give myself, it'll be reflected so I don't send energy to him. You can if you like and see how that works, but I never felt comfortable doing it. And when I did, I saw him getting inflated in his ego, but I just give it to myself. I just pour all that love back into me and feel that I'm already one with him. I just, I live with my twin in the dream world. We're married and have kids, and I have loads of houses, and we're very successful and wealthy and rich. But in my 3D world, he's always with me. I'm in the gym or I'm working at home and I'm just like having a little sassiness. I'm like, yeah, baby, you want that? And just stuff like that. I live as though I'm already with him, so

Javier:

I love that. No, I love that. Yeah. Yeah. And, and earlier when I said, um, you know, finding peace, I just mean finding peace in the pain. Like embracing Oh yeah. When, when, again, like you said, when you're feeling sad, just feel sad. Like allow those, allow yourself to just be in that. Um, and no, I, I love the way you said that, you know, for me, I, I saw it as like sending it back to him because I love who I am today. I absolutely love who I am today. And, and, you know, he's, he's the catalyst for that whole, you know, and I say catalyst because, because of him, I, you know, I am where I am today, um, spiritually, physically, mentally, and. Um, and so for me, you know, I just hope that he loves himself as well. You know, he loves who he is as well, right? Always you. But I love how you said, turning that back to your, you know, keeping that energy within yourself. That definitely resonates.

Mani:

I mean, he's you, so you're thanking yourself for your own ascension to trigger yourself. And if you love yourself, he will. The same energy concept, right? We have to stop seeing it in duality and separation. Um. But yeah, I know there's a lot of coaches out there that like talk about blocking them or like detoxing or not doing this or not doing that. Whereas I'm in the belief of just embrace the mess and the chaos until you're bored of it and you've emptied it and you're tired of it, and then you choose something else but not to control it. Like to really just. This is right now and I accept it and I love it and I let it be, and I wanna, you know, I wanna date other people or I wanna go have sex. If that's what you're feeling right now, it's something, there's a lesson, there's some urge you, you wanna do it, do it. Like there's no restrictions because otherwise the investors and it will get ugly in different ways. So I'm all about just letting it flow.

Javier:

Yeah, right. Okay. Okay. So, so what does dating or opening yourself up look like after stepping into your divine feminine? Um, I know many divine feminines are open to receiving love, but they struggle because their standards and awareness have completely shifted. I know for me, like my standards are way higher. How do we navigate dating after experiencing a twin flame connection? And how do you stay open to love and connection without waiting for union?'cause some people. Um, you know, I've, I've seen, and I know people who get stuck in the idea of reunion and put their lives on hold. How do we move, or how would someone move forward still honoring the journey from your experience?

Mani:

It's a journey. So before you meet your twin flame, a lot of the times, um, the twins, both of them actually are kind of needy, codependent, working from toxic templates, you know. Chasing or acting egotistical or whatever it is, which is most of humanity is doing. You know, that whole soulmate connection thing, which is from a place of trauma. So after you meet your twin flame, in the beginning, often, especially you've being intimate with your twin, you'll shudder at the concept of even being close to someone or dating someone. You'll feel guilty, you'll feel bad. It will not match up. The twin flame, sexual experience and emotional experience, it will not match up with anyone else, especially because you're still in healing phases, right? You're still not coming to your whole wholeness, your divinity, your pureness. But as you start getting into a place of no longer missing, no longer seeing separation, feeling that you are deserving of love, then you'll start attracting more high level soulmates. Then you'll start attracting more people on that vibration. In the beginning stages, you go through dark nights of soul, you're obviously gonna attract similar. So then you start bringing in those sort of better connections. But often, if not always, the men or the women you're bringing or whatever you bring in will mirror where your twin flame's at because the universe is playing sick joke on you. The universe is, is helping you to see where you need to heal because. The twin blames purpose is to do that. And if he, if they're not there, then the universe will bring like either family, friends, work or other people into your life to help you learn and go forward. Because the journey is pre-planned prepaid for your ascension. It's all guided. So anyone who comes into your life, if you, if you. If you go from a place of neediness and lack, then you will get that back, and that will be a big lesson. But if you're from a place of wholeness and the universe brings someone, why not? Why not? Because you might learn something, you might gain something. It's a soul tie, soul, uh, you know, it's a, it's a comic connection or maybe you, you know, it's helping you. And every person I have interacted with in that way has actually helped to elevate me and push me forwards. But my connection only ever lasted one or two weeks. It's never gone further. Um, and I think there's, there's a reason for that, but for some people it does go further. And I know some twin flames, divine feminists, for example, who did meet high level soulmates or chose to stay with a soulmate, and they're, they do miss their twin, but they're happy where they're at now. The benefit of being with a twin is they will always be pushing you to ascension. There's that third energy created with the hero scams. When you sleep with them, the light comes in, the sex is always getting better. It's amazing. It's a, it's a beautiful, loving connection, but. That your twin might have done a lot of bad stuff in the toxic phases and the trauma, and you might be finding it hard to forgive, but if you can, it takes you to another level of ascension actually. But when you get to that place of, in a union and ascension, they, they say you are presented as a divine family with an option of a high level soulmate who is almost similar but not exactly the same, uh, frequency as your twin flame. And you may choose them because, um. Maybe you just don't wanna, after all the pain and hurt and you see oneness in everything anyway, you're no longer lacking, but you won't be getting that level of the third energy being created. The unified field, the um, the light energy coming in, the hero gamos, the, the, the divinity, the angelic our body, shamanic country sex, which. As a Scorpio, I would always choose the twin playing. So you'll create karma as well with your twin playing, which is good. But with a soulmate relationship, you can have a conscious relationship and, and choose not to create karma. But, um, I, I don't know, for me it's twin flame or nothing for me.

Javier:

Right. I, um, I got to a point a few months ago where I had to, which was the last time I was in communication with him, um, where I, I got to a point where I understood that there was a lot more healing that I needed to do for me, and I really needed to make space for that. And so I, I came to this point where, for me it was like, you know, I, I can no longer make space.'cause I feel like when you are holding onto your twin flame, like, it, it, it can be very consuming. And so for me it was like I can no longer hold space for somebody who isn't holding space for me. I will always make space because of who I am and, and how I show up in general. I will always make space if they, um, you know, wanna make that space for me because I, you know, I'm full of gratitude for them, but I can't make space for somebody who's not making space for me. And so. I know, I feel it. I know that who I end up with, who I marry is going to, is going to just expand me. And, and it's going to be such a, it'll be even, uh, it'll, it'll be even more amazing than going through that first, um, you know, connection with my twin flame. And whether that's him or whether that's someone else, I'm, you know, I, I completely just opened my, my heart and soul to the path and of receiving. Know what that is

Mani:

can be quite distracting. And if you're in union straight away, then all the things you create, all the healing you do, all the people, you have the purpose, the creation of all those amazing things, they don't happen'cause you're distracted. But yeah, it's either this or something better. You open yourself to the universe. You know the universe is such a magical, mystical place. I'm sure it's all orchestrated divinely for your benefit. So if you are in a place of love and peace and abundance and ascension, it has to happen. You have to attract the right person for you at that time. So just be open to it and don't shut it. Some people are like, oh, I could never did a song. Why not Everyone deserves love? Why not?

Javier:

Right, right. And and it's also like, like you mentioned earlier, like, you know, I just, I'm not sure if we had a, a conversation choosing this life like, hey, like in this life, let's, let's connect, be the catalyst for each other and, and, have lessons in separation. That's a possibility. Um. Again, I, I just, I'm open to how, however it plays out, I've, I've just, I'm, I go with the flow of the journey now and I know that I absolutely deserve and I'm worthy of the love that I know is for me. And so,

Mani:

and also it's very important when you get your soulmates to treat them like you would if you were with your twin flames. So, not to put them less than or not to, to, to act or behave in ways, right? To make them feel uncomfortable, like really honor their soul and. And connect with them from that space. Um, and yeah, it's interesting, you know, about like, do you choose from a, the divine will or pre will and soul orchestrating before you got here? Or do you make sort of like adjustments whilst you're here saying, you know what, like, you know, well, let's get into, let's not get into union, or let's, who knows? Uh, you know, but as the leader of the divine feminine is choosing, if you are choosing yourself always, you're choosing your ascension, your inner union, your own path, your own love. Then your twin flame will mirror that anyway. And so they will choose that too, and then, then you will be brought together. But just let it be like there's too much fixation on that one aspect of the totality, which is way bigger of ascension.

Javier:

I agree. I love that. I love that. So before we close out, is there anything you'd like to share with those listening who may be struggling with their twin flame journey? First of all,

Mani:

um, be free and don't judge yourself if you wanna do things or don't, don't, don't feel bad that you're not being perfect or getting it right. Just live. Live for the now and be free. But also just, um, if you need to do things, do it. Don't, don't stop yourself or control it. And if you need constant reassurance, keep listening, keep watching things.'cause I certainly did. I read a lot of horror. I looked at a lot of videos. Because there's a phase where you're going through fear and ego, and it's like revising for an exam or like getting yourself ready for a test. You keep saying the things over, over again in order to embed them, and it embeds that sense of relief, the sense of peace, the sense of love, and people will say, you know, why don't you just meditate or go for a run? This twin flame stuff is like one of the most addictive energies in the universe. It's very addictive. Um, so go through the process and allow yourself, the first year is gonna be, hell. Let's just say that your first year on the journey's gonna be hell. Embrace it, accept it. The second year gets better. Then each year it will get better and better. But allow yourself to, to, to be in that. But it's not forever. And as long as you do your inner work, which is loving yourself and treating yourself the best you possibly can, you will feel better. But there's those who don't get better, and it's because I feel like they're not doing. They're not allowing and not doing the stuff they need to, they're kind of trying to stop and control it, but trust it and, um, enjoy it if you can. It gets good. It does get really good.

Javier:

I agree. I agree. I'm very, very, very, very, very, um, grateful for this journey. It's, it's when you see yourself grow and step into your power, it's, it's. It's worth it.

Mani:

Yeah. I used to be like, I don't wish this on my enemy. Why would you want me, us to think like that a lot? Whereas now I'd like, I wish this on everyone because they really, if everyone met their twin inflame in the in the world, they would be forced out of their ego and their fear and their limitations. They'd be pushed into their power and their love and embracing all, and that would create the five D world one.

Javier:

Right. I agree. I love that Manny. Thank you, thank you, thank you for your wisdom and for sharing your experience today. I know this conversation will resonate deeply with so many people. Um, I'm so, so grateful. Thank you, thank you. Thank you for your time. And to everyone listening, remember, love isn't something we chase. It's something we're built for. Love you guys. Until next time, thank you so much. Take care.